Post by Malcolm on Dec 11, 2013 21:18:37 GMT -5
In recent years in another forum someone claimed that the word 'Satan' does not appear in Mark 8:33 and instead reads 'Adversary'. This is a crazy translation in Young's Bible, and was no doubt intended to divert attention from the very embarrassing situation where Jesus addresses Peter as 'Satan'. It really does nothing to help the Christian cause since this would still make Peter an 'Adversary' of the very god whose Church he founded.
Since large chunks of the Bible have derived from Egyptian Theology it surely cannot be any surprise to find that SATAN was also an Egyptian God. Refer List of Gods at the 'touregypt' webpage - www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/
SET is shown as a God of Evil. There wasn't however a written vowel in many Egyptian words, and this name, 'ST', is often translated as SAT or SUT. The genitive case in Egyptian is shown by adding the letter 'N' and so we get STN which can be pronounced as SATAN and so meaning 'OF (the Evil God) SAT'.
The story of SAT, is described by touregypt as follows:
"In early times Set was worshipped as the god of wind and the desert storms, and prayed to that he would grant the strength of the storms to his followers. Although he was always a dark and moody god, he was believed to be the ally of his brother and sister, Osiris and Isis, , the counterpart to his sister-wife Nephthys and the defender of their father, Ra.
But somewhere along the line the view of Set changed. He became a god of evil, in eternal conflict with the gods of light, and especially with Horus, the son of Osiris.
Set became identified with his former enemy, the serpent Apep. By the XXVI Dynasty, Set was the major antagonist and embodiment of evil to the Egyptians. Why this change came about is unknown, but it is thought that some time after the unification of Egypt, the religion of Set fell into disfavor with the state religion, the worship of Ra and Osiris.
It may be that there was open rebellion against the pharaoh Narmer (Menes) who unified Egypt under his rule, the rebellion failed and their beliefs were effectively quashed. Victors are known to rewrite history, it may be that they also rewrote the religion. It is an interesting idea to think that the struggle for the control of Egypt might have found its way into their core beliefs.
In the Legend of Osiris, Set kills Osiris and scatters his body, then claims the throne of the gods for his own. He is later struck down by Horus, the son of Osiris, who restores order to the world and sets up the pharaohs as the guardians of Maat. Set and Horus continue to battle for control of the world, setting up an epic conflict of good versus evil.
Worship: Not really worshipped after becoming a god of evil, but his religion was the major one for Upper Egypt until after the unification."
Malcolm: Part of Upper Egypt is now known today as SUDAN.
We often find the letter 'T' hardening into 'D'. Sudan really means The Land Of Sat or Sut, which confirms the religious convictions of the people who once lived there.
HOWEVER THE WORD ST OR STN IN EGYPTIAN HAS AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT MEANINGS.
We have many words in English that have completely different meanings and 'Devil' just happens to be one of them.
It can mean 'The Devil' or it can be used as a verb in the sense of seasoning food.
Egyptian scribes made the meaning very clear by adding a 'Determinative' Glyph after the word. Thus ST followed by a truncated hillock glyph meant that the meaning was a HILL. When followed by a small diamond shaped determinative, then the meaning became ROCK .
It was only when ST was followed by a God glyph that it could be read as the God SAT – or SATAN.
In Mark 8:33 we do not have the advantage of determinative glyphs to tell us the correct meaning of the word 'ST'.
If we take it as meaning 'The Devil' OR even as 'Adversary' (as in Prince of Evil Spirits), then Jesus is made to look a complete fool in that he accepts a disciple whom he considers to be either Evil or at least an Opponent.
If this was the case, it is just plain crazy. On the other hand if the Scribe was Egyptian – and let's face it, the gospels were contrived in Alexandria or Thebes – then it is much more likely that SATAN was being used in its meaning of 'THE ROCK'. After all, that is the very same meaning given to the name Peter.
The argument that 'Satan' means 'Adversary' is utterly ridiculous. Strong's show the word as Greek, not Hebrew by preceding their number with the letter 'G'.
In Greek 'Satana' means 'Satan' – nothing else. If they had intended to say Adversary, then they would have written just that – 'EE ANTIPALOS' or 'ANTAGONISTEES'.
Since large chunks of the Bible have derived from Egyptian Theology it surely cannot be any surprise to find that SATAN was also an Egyptian God. Refer List of Gods at the 'touregypt' webpage - www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/
SET is shown as a God of Evil. There wasn't however a written vowel in many Egyptian words, and this name, 'ST', is often translated as SAT or SUT. The genitive case in Egyptian is shown by adding the letter 'N' and so we get STN which can be pronounced as SATAN and so meaning 'OF (the Evil God) SAT'.
The story of SAT, is described by touregypt as follows:
"In early times Set was worshipped as the god of wind and the desert storms, and prayed to that he would grant the strength of the storms to his followers. Although he was always a dark and moody god, he was believed to be the ally of his brother and sister, Osiris and Isis, , the counterpart to his sister-wife Nephthys and the defender of their father, Ra.
But somewhere along the line the view of Set changed. He became a god of evil, in eternal conflict with the gods of light, and especially with Horus, the son of Osiris.
Set became identified with his former enemy, the serpent Apep. By the XXVI Dynasty, Set was the major antagonist and embodiment of evil to the Egyptians. Why this change came about is unknown, but it is thought that some time after the unification of Egypt, the religion of Set fell into disfavor with the state religion, the worship of Ra and Osiris.
It may be that there was open rebellion against the pharaoh Narmer (Menes) who unified Egypt under his rule, the rebellion failed and their beliefs were effectively quashed. Victors are known to rewrite history, it may be that they also rewrote the religion. It is an interesting idea to think that the struggle for the control of Egypt might have found its way into their core beliefs.
In the Legend of Osiris, Set kills Osiris and scatters his body, then claims the throne of the gods for his own. He is later struck down by Horus, the son of Osiris, who restores order to the world and sets up the pharaohs as the guardians of Maat. Set and Horus continue to battle for control of the world, setting up an epic conflict of good versus evil.
Worship: Not really worshipped after becoming a god of evil, but his religion was the major one for Upper Egypt until after the unification."
Malcolm: Part of Upper Egypt is now known today as SUDAN.
We often find the letter 'T' hardening into 'D'. Sudan really means The Land Of Sat or Sut, which confirms the religious convictions of the people who once lived there.
HOWEVER THE WORD ST OR STN IN EGYPTIAN HAS AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT MEANINGS.
We have many words in English that have completely different meanings and 'Devil' just happens to be one of them.
It can mean 'The Devil' or it can be used as a verb in the sense of seasoning food.
Egyptian scribes made the meaning very clear by adding a 'Determinative' Glyph after the word. Thus ST followed by a truncated hillock glyph meant that the meaning was a HILL. When followed by a small diamond shaped determinative, then the meaning became ROCK .
It was only when ST was followed by a God glyph that it could be read as the God SAT – or SATAN.
In Mark 8:33 we do not have the advantage of determinative glyphs to tell us the correct meaning of the word 'ST'.
If we take it as meaning 'The Devil' OR even as 'Adversary' (as in Prince of Evil Spirits), then Jesus is made to look a complete fool in that he accepts a disciple whom he considers to be either Evil or at least an Opponent.
If this was the case, it is just plain crazy. On the other hand if the Scribe was Egyptian – and let's face it, the gospels were contrived in Alexandria or Thebes – then it is much more likely that SATAN was being used in its meaning of 'THE ROCK'. After all, that is the very same meaning given to the name Peter.
The argument that 'Satan' means 'Adversary' is utterly ridiculous. Strong's show the word as Greek, not Hebrew by preceding their number with the letter 'G'.
In Greek 'Satana' means 'Satan' – nothing else. If they had intended to say Adversary, then they would have written just that – 'EE ANTIPALOS' or 'ANTAGONISTEES'.
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